TurnKey Linux Virtual Appliance Library

TurnKey Core 12.0 RC optimized builds

Last month we announced the release candidate for TurnKey Core 12.0 - the common base for all appliances, based on the rock solid Debian Squeeze (6.0.4).

It took a little longer than expected, but we've finally released all the optimized builds for TurnKey Core 12.0RC: ISO, VMDK, OVF, Amazon EC2, OpenStack, OpenVZ and Xen.

Optimized Builds

The optimized builds can be downloaded from the core appliance page, directly via the TurnKey channel in ProxmoxVE (OpenVZ), deployed in the Amazon EC2 cloud via the TurnKey Hub, or via one of the official TurnKey partners (soon).

Build specific release notes

Common (ISO)

Amazon EC2

  • Deployment: The TurnKey Hub has been updated to support Core 12.0 deployment and management (Launch new server -> 12.0). Once the full library has been updated to TKL 12.0 it will become the default, and the current release will be moved to Legacy.

VM optimized (VMDK, OVF)

  • Open-VM-Tools: Previous VM optimized builds included the proprietry VMWare-Tools, but since VMWare have released a large portion of the code under the GPL, we've moved to open-vm-tools.
  • Swap warning: VMware products might display a warning that no swap space was detected. This is a false positive, as swap is configured in LVM.

OpenStack

OpenVZ

  • Naming convention: We've updating the naming convention for openvz builds to support vanilla OpenVZ out of the box, and eliminate duplication for the Turnkey PVE channel. Thanks Jeremy!
  • Removed NTP daemon: The NTP daemon has been removed as the clock is managed by the host. Thanks Martin!
  • No more upstart hacks: Removed Ubuntu upstart hacks as they are not relevant in Debian.

Xen

  • Xen optimized kernel: Moved to the Xen optimized kernel provided by Debian (linux-image-xen-686).

As always, we need your help in testing the builds. If you come across any issues or have ideas how they can be improved, please post a comment.

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Comments

upgrading?

Thanks I've been looking forward to the openvz template!  One question though, I'd like to start working on a new project with this RC, will I be able to update to the final release when you release it or will that require a whole reload?

Jeremy's picture

It will depend

If the TKL devs end up having to tweak custom code that is not handled by  package management I don't think that there will be anyway to upgrade (other than to replicate the code). Hopefully though that shouldn't be an issue and the TKL guys will provide info on what changes (obviously the Debian base will remain the same).

I'd suggest that even if there isn't a 100% upgrade path unless you experience issues, then it wouldn't matter. The underlaying Debian OS will be the same regardless.

The other thing to consider is, that even in worst case scenario, you can migrate your data from 12.0RC to any future 12.x release with TKLBAM. Obviously it may require some tweaking if you go from this Debian based TKL to the as yet released v12.x Ubuntu based system, but if you stick to Debian is should be flawless.

isn't it going to be either

isn't it going to be either or as far as debian or ubuntu for the official 12.0?

Jeremy's picture

AFAIK they plan to release both

AFAIK the vision is to cater to the 2 different markets/perspectives with 2 different appliance versions. One based on Debian, one on Ubuntu.

Debian release will be for rock solid stability and tried and tested security (as all repo packages are maintained by Debian and have security bugfixes backported). Even though it is TKL v12, the Debian release is based on Squeeze which was released over a year ago now and had package versions frozen ~6-8 mths before that so there is nothing new about them besides the bits TKL adds.

Ubuntu will be more middle ground aimed at people who prefer newer packages with more cutting edge stuff (although it will still date over time). The TKL v12 Ubuntu builds will be based on Ubuntu 12.04/Precise which is still in beta currently but will be released end of the month IIRC. So it will have much newer packages (until next Debian release anyway...) I'm not sure when we will see TKL Ubuntu based 12.x builds...

x64 bit in this new version of TKL

Will the new v12 support x64 bit or will it be a 32 bit os only?

Jeremy's picture

The devs have said that they plan to support x64

So I would imagine that 64 bit appliances will be released. In fact it is possible that they will become the default. Most hardware should support it these days and some software (such as Apache) reportedly works much better in 64 bit.

Will a x64 version be available?

Is there anymore information regarding availability of a x64 version?

If I'm not mistaken one of the reasons there was no new Zimbra 7 appliance was because x64 was required for Zimbra 7: it would be great if that were to be solved with the availability of a x64 version.

Jeremy's picture

64 bit builds still on the todo list

By my understanding you are correct re Zimbra and the guys are definately still planning to do 64 bit builds. I think the plan is to get the 32 bit Debian builds out the door (updates of the current appliances) and a number of new ones. Then it'll be on to Ubuntu builds. I have encouraging them to bring out Ubuntu builds as 64 bit off the bat (so Zimbra can be included) but they haven't mad3 a decision on that yet AFAIK.

L. Arnold's picture

Critical (IMHO) that 11.3 be a "Long Term" Legacy Product

The current 11.3 Lucid builds are very functional and I encourage TKL to maintain these as Legacy builds well into the future  (also tell folks who depend on them to make their own Archives).

Likely the same holds for the final Hardy Release though the passage of time, we all know, blurs some in memory.  No need, IMHO, to maintain much more than that, but perhaps I am missing some caveats.

Looking forward to the new releases.  Wish I had a bit more time to make some patches and do some testing.  Let us know though, if testing is sought.

Jeremy's picture

It'd be nice.

But i don't know how we'll go with that. IIRC the reason why the Hardy builds got removed from SF was on request of SF due to the volume of space they took up on the SF servers. So we'll have to wait & ee what happens.

LAMP

Since its been a month, was wondering if there was an ETA for LAMP appliance to be updated to 12.0?

Final version?

Since it's now been 2 months, I am wondering whether this RC will be declared final. Or are there any issues preventing that? I'd like to reinstall my TurnKey based VMs using the new version, but I don't feel like doing it twice.

Jeremy's picture

Firstly it's only Core

So unless you are using Core as the basis for your appliance then you won't be able to move to the new appliance yet anyway.

Secondly AFAIK the v12.x series will eventually be available in both Debian and Ubuntu based appliances. The current v12.0RC is Debian based and while it contains updated TKL components (hence the v12.x version number) the packages themselves (ie from Debian 6.0/Squeeze repo) are actually pretty close to the current Ubuntu 10.04/Lucid (basis of TKL v11.x) package versions (Squeeze was frozen not long after Ubuntu 10.04 was released and Ubuntu is drawn from Debian). So whilst there may be stability improvements and bugfixes (generally Debian does this better than Ubuntu because of the much longer testing phase of development) there won't be significantly newer versions of software available in the TKL v12.x Debian based appliances (aside from software installed from upstream).

New v12.x Ubuntu appliances will come AFAIK but they will probably be quite a few months away.

So I would suggest that you decide whether you want to switch to Debian based appliances, or stick with Ubuntu based ones. If you are happy to switch then hopefully they will be released soon, although I would assume that the TKL guys will release the other appliances as RC too. OTOH if you wish to stick with Ubuntu based appliances then I'd hold tight and be patient because it'll probably be a while away.

[edit] If this Ubuntu/Debian thing is confusing and/or you're not really sure what the differences are have a look at this blog post by Alon and probably this post by me (and the following comments).

I'm using Core

As well as derivatives, and you're right, for those, I'd have to wait anyway. Or cook my own.

I hadn't thought about the Debian / Ubuntu differences much. I already knew that because of the desired "stability" property of Debian, it's a bit behind when it comes to being "cutting edge". I just recently installed a Debian system on my laptop, and although it's probably true that packages have undergone more testing than with (e.g.) Ubuntu, I'm a bit disappointed about the resulting lack of "cutting edge". Without too much hassle, that is, like the dependency hell that can apparently be the result of wanting to use 1 "cutting edge" package more recent than, say, 6 months old.

Maybe it's just my ignorance (there's a good chance there), but it looks like Ubuntu would be a "better" solution for me if I base my weighting scheme on the "cutting edgeness". So yes: I may want to wait for an updated TurnKey Ubuntu-based release.

If it's just Core, that's ok. One application I'm using TurnKey Linux for is kind of a "build bot" for mingw-cross-env (mxe.cc), which just needs TurnKey Core and GCC (and a few other easy to install dependencies). I thought about pulling a request for such a build bot, or sharing the resulting VM, but since it's really straightforward to just use Core (a few apt-get commands is all that is needed), I haven't bothered.

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Bart

Jeremy's picture

If you are happy to use DDebian as base go for it

As I imagine that any changes between the RC and Final will be minimal ( and hopefully should be available via apt anyway).

I like Debian for servers because of the testing and the fact that all packages are maintained(not just a subset as with Ubuntu) but even still none of my work is 'mission critical' so I'm happy enough with Ubuntu.

But for a desktop/laptop I agree that it is a bit too old for my liking. You may be better off using Debian testing (or a distro that does like Linux Mint Debian Ed - which does last time I checked). My favourite distro for sometime has been Bodhi Linux which for me is the best of all worlds. It is based on Ubuntu LTS but has backported (cutting edge) packages for popular apps (& the kernel). The current release is still based on 10.04 but the next release will be 12.04 based. And it uses E17 as default desktop... my favourite! :-)

Getting Closer...

...to v12 launch? The work and comments to date make it sound like a very compelling update. 

Is there an ETA at all?

Is there an ETA? I'm planning on launching a new server in your TK Cloud and am willing to wait a week if the release is right around the corner. But don't want to wait months.

Jeremy's picture

No ETA...

I'd just make a start now. The first batch of releases may be just around the corner, but the guys are still working on the alpha release AFAIK and they don't do ETAs (release when done production cycle). I find it frustrating at times too, but the devs don't like breaking promises, so don't make them.

Besides migration to the new appliances should be relatively straight forward using TKLBAM.

Turnkey Linux -No access - No Support - No Use

Despite numerous emails, inlcuding the copying of " Chief" Alon Swarz, I was unable to get access to the application. The system hangs at the Turnkey Verification. I have a Smtp Service with Amazon backed up by Credit card.

Emails to support@turnkey   go unanswered. Stay away if you operate a real busness 

Jeremy's picture

That's no good...

Sounds like your experience hasn't been great. and that definitely wouldn't be very reassuring for you as a potential customer. 

Not to try to make excuses for the guys but they have been extremely busy of late with the release of v12.1, closely followed by the migration of all source to GitHub, the release of TKLDev, migration and backend update for the Hub (possibly the source of your issues) and the start of work on v13.0...

So other than email(s); what other support mechanism(s) have you tried? Hub Feedback? Posting here on the forums? (I apologise if I missed it) Lodging an Issue on the TKL Dev tracker (on GitHub)? I do vaguely recall someone posting about a similar issue some time recently but I'm sure they got sorted out...

Also IIRC support@turnkey is only for users with support contracts (would explain why your email went unanswered) - a post in the support forum is generally your best intial point of contact. I try to answer all posts within a day or 2 (although don't always make it...) and can get the ear of the devs if your issue goes unresolved for more than a few days after that...

Also note that the Business plan (for "real business") includes phone support as well... (Although obviously unreasonable cost for a trial of TKL).

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