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Installing VMware Server 2.0.2 on Turnkey LAMP | Unable to run Web Access

Jason TEPOORTEN's picture

Hi,

I am resurrecting an old PC to build virtual machines to experiment with data solutions.  I am documenting my journey in my blog at http://jasontepoortenlinuxbaseoldpc.wordpress.com.  The specs of the PC are listed in my blog.

I have installed VMware Server 2.0.2, and although it appears to start up, when I try to access the Web Access through my browser, nothing appears.

I am aware that VMware Server 2.0.2 has reached its end of life; however, given the specs of the PC I am using, and my requirement to access this PC through a wireless network, I thought this was the best method to use to achieve virtualisation.

Does anyone have any suggestions, or have experiences that could help me.

Kind Regards,

    Jason

The PC - The Base

Eric (tssgery)'s picture

Wow... VMware Server is OLD...

You might be able to get that to work, but VMware Server is VERY old. Even if you can get it going, you might run into issues when you start putting VM's on it.

My advice is to scrap the TKL Lamp/VMware Server effort and utilize either VirtualBox or ProxMox VE. Both have web based front ends and, in the case of ProxMox, have real nice integrations to facilitate deploying VMs.

If you really want to go forward with VMware Server, the first things I would start do is to validate the the VMware Web Access is really running and listening on your wlan0 interface at the port you think it is. Form there, take a look at the VMware logs (/var/log/vmware if my memory serves me right). If you find something odd, post it here and I'll try and help.


IE6 and VMware 2.0.2 Web Access

Hi Eric,

I did the following:

1) I updated the /etc/init.d/vmware script to change 64m to 128m for tomcat; and

2) I loaded Web Access UI through Microsoft IE6 on a spare Windows XP desktop and it loaded.  It doesn't load from my Mac using Firefox, Safari and Chrome.  Also, it doesn't load from Microsoft IE9.

Why is this so?

Cheers,

  Jason

Jason TEPOORTEN's picture

TKL LAMP & VMware Server vs Alternative

 

Thanks so much for replying.

That’s so true – VMware Server is very old.

I’ll carry out the validation routine you have advised, and If I can’t get this thing running, I will consider looking at ProxMox VE.

Jeremy's picture

+1 for Proxmox

If your hardware supports PVE (64bit capable and CPU virtual extensions) then I would seriously consider scraping the idea to use VMware Server. Especially considering that your are planning on using it headlessly, why waste all that RAM and those CPU cycles running a full GUI OS!?! (I'm assuming that you are running VMware server on top of Windows...)

If you plan to run multiple Linux/TKL server VMs then it is a complete no brainer IMO. OVZ containers (even multiple ones) should run almost they they are running on bare metal! (assuming that you don't over allocate RAM). Even if your hardware doesn't support CPU virtual extensions and you only plan on Linux VMs then PVE may still be the way to go (I haven't checked newer versions of PVE, but v1.9 installed and ran fine on non-virtual supported hardware but only OVZ - no KVM).

I have been running Proxmox for about 4 years on 6 year old desktop hardware (E6400 Core2Duo with 8GB of DDR2 RAM) and it runs like a dream! I currently have about 10 VMs always on (including an old XP VM and a Win7 VM) and it doesn't miss a beat (other than a couple of old desktop hard drives which have died - they don't really build them to be constantly running for years...) But I have at times had more than 30 running! (~30 OVZ containers with my 2 Win machines). Admitedly the 2 Windows ones struggled with that CPU load, but most of the TKL ones you wouldn't have even known (some of the more CPU/RAM intensive machines e.g. ones including Java applets also slowed a bit).

After using PVE for years I am a huge fan and honestly don't understand why anyone would use anything else for a headless hypervisor! Especially with the integration with TKL, the great public forum/mailing list for support and the fact that it is free. I find the fact that it is also based on Debian is pretty handy too.

The only issue you may face is the wireless. But looking at your blog, it seems like you are probably all over this already. You will need to just get it running on the PVE host first (you may need to use a cable or a USB to get the drivers if the module doesn't already exist - but I don't know for sure).

ProxMox on 32-bit - No Marriage :(

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks so much for your advice on using ProxMox.

I considered trying ProxMox as I like to explore other types of virtual machine hosting software to broaden my awareness of what is out there.  The fact that it is *free* and is headless and is almost bare metal is really appealing!  It's on my list of items to try out.

Unfortunately, I checked the system requirements and it states that it requires a 64-bit processor (http://www.proxmox.com/products/proxmox-ve/system-requirements-proxmox-ve), and the PC I am using is only a 32-bit processor :(.  I've also checked the forum, http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/430-Proxmox-on-32bit, and it supports that ProxMox is only 64-bit.

I built this PC back in late 2003 and I was going to toss it, but I'm a little attached because it's the only PC I've actually built from parts.  Sounds silly, I know…

I like the fact you've had that many VMs running on ProxMox on a 6 year old machine.  30 - excellent number ;-)

If I come across a 64-bit older PC, I'll certainly like to give ProxMox VE a spin.

Again, thanks so much for your advice.

Cheers,

Jason

Jeremy's picture

Bugger!

There are instructions in the PVE Wiki on installing Proxmox to 32-bit - it's basically a case of installing Debian (32 bit) and then installing all the Proxmox stuff on top.

If you have enough patience, are willing to get your hands a bit dirty and don't plan to use this for production (surely you aren't are you!?) then it could still be a worthy project.

But as you say it is 'unsupported' so any issues you have, you will struggle to get help with. Having said that Debian is pretty stable and I have not had any issues with PVE beyond hardware ones (some bad RAM and 3 dead HDDs - 2 cheap Samsung ones and a very old WD) on 2 servers (my home one I spoke about and the one at work) over the last 4 years and my home one I even upgraded from 1.9 to 2.0 (Debian Lenny to Squeeze). 

So if you can get it going it would still probably be ok (although only for Linux VMs running under OVZ) - and far better/faster than your current plans.

Anyway good luck with it! :)

Gratitude for Awareness and Instruction | Aaah, found hidden PC

 

Excellent, thanks for sharing the link to the instructions (http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Install_Proxmox_VE_on_Debian_Squeeze_on_32-B...) to install it on a 32-bit machine.
 
The instructions look very straight-forward, and I wish I found these before I started what I did, but I've used VMware for a while since 2003 and unfortunately didn't ask the question "Is there a newer alternative?".  Lesson for me: Ask that question and explore :).
 
You are correct, I am *definitely* **not** using this for production ;-).
 
I have found another PC (unfortunately 32-bit) sitting around the house.  I forgot about it because it's been in my storage I rarely check.  It's a great candidate for using Proxmox on Debian.  I'll power it up later this week and work through the instructions.  I'll share my experience, too :).
 
I've kept a link to this forum, so when I document my journey using Proxmox, I'll make reference to this forum, as I'm grateful for being made aware of another alternative that can meet my needs, is free, and for instructions to make it work for my stone-age PC :).

Change of direction --- ProxMox VE

I've had another think of my plans, and I think *now* is a good time to change direction and go with ProxMox VE.  One, I can add it to my knowledge of virtualisation platforms; Two, it uses Debian as a base so I should be able to use my Wifi like I did with Turnkey LAMP; and Three, I don't need to use MSIE 6 to access a web console like I do with VMware Server 2.0.2.

Thought

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