Timothy's picture

Is the turnkey domain controller appliance going to be updated? if it is when? and will it have Samba 4?

Jeremy Davis's picture

I can't speak for the Devs but to the best of my knowledge nothing has changed since we last spoke about Samba 4 here on the forums. To recap:

- Updated TKL Fileserver (based on Ubuntu 10.04) will be released (hopefully) soon after 10.04 (released end of this month). So I would like to think we should see it by mid to late May.

- it will most likely be based on Samba 3 because of stability. Samba 4 (alpha8+git20090912) is in the repos for 10.04 but it is experimental (hence alpha tag) and and from the Samba devs: "should not be used in production". As such I think it is highly unlikely that the next TKL Fileserver will use it.

- but as said before that doesn't mean you can't test/experiment/play with it yourself.

In fact perhaps you can familiarise yourself with TKL Patch and prepare for creating a patch for a TKL based Samba 4 appliance that you can share with the community.

Chuck Tryon's picture

I'm just doing some research on what turnkey solutions and Linux based appliances have plans to upgrade to Samba4, now that it has officially reached the 4.0.0 release stage.

Jeremy Davis's picture

But I don't imagine that we will see a Samba4 TKL release anytime soon (at least not an official one). Considering it was only released in the last couple of days I don't imagine that you will see any 'production ready' Linux release for some time.

Beta2 is available in the Debian Wheezy (testing) repo (the basis of the next TKL release - v13.x) and as it is now frozen so I doubt that it will be updated (expecially considering that it is the same version in Sid/unstable).

So unless you install yourself from upstream then I imagine that an official Samba4 based appliance will be some time away (possibly year or 2).

Chuck Tryon's picture

I've seen a couple of products which were already incorporating some of the Beta and RC Samba4 releases (sometimes in some of *their* beta and testing releases), so even though the "official" release was only a couple of days ago, it's been on the horizon for a long time.  So, *none* of the vendors should have been caught by surprise!  However, it is a very different approach (from ancient NT style domains to a real AD platform), so it's not like they can simply turn around on a dime and drop in all that new functionality, especially if you've built a whole ecosystem of tools and interfaces between the low level packages and your top level GUI or Web interface control center.

Chuck Tryon's picture

On the flip side, it's good to see new releases coming for TKL!  I've seen a lot of people try to bundle Linux into an integrated small office server with a unified front end, and it seems like a lot of those efforts have been abandoned along the wayside.  (I just discovered that Resara Server has closed up their LLC.)  It's good to see someone still making progress!

Alan's picture

A samba4 appliance is what I really need... I can manage to upgrade a PDC/samba3 appliance, but as a part-time remote admin, I need a plug and play setup like the appliance so that others can support/manage it, especially for disaster recovery in case it has to be installed from bare metal when I'm not around. 

Here's my vote for a separate samba4 appliance because I'm sure there are others who still need this samba3 appliance.

Jeremy Davis's picture

I agre that a PDCv2 appliance (using Samba4) would be nice, so I have added it to the (new GitHub based) Dev wiki.

TBH though unless someone takes a lead in developing it, I'm not sure when it will happen...

Alan's picture

Thanks for putting this on the radar. I wish I could do some of the development work to get it moving!

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