codyzu's picture

I have configured tklbam and use local storage for my backups (as described here). It is not clear to me if I need to store the keys everytime I do a backup. I use:

tklbam-escrow -P /local/storage/key

Do I need to do this everytime I execute the following? Or is doing it once enough for all backups on that machine?

tklbam-backup --address file:///local/storage/backup

In fact, it is not exceptionally clear to me what the escrow key is. Honestly, I would prefer to store my backups uncrypted (i.e. using the --no-encryption option with duplicity) because I don't need an extra layer of security on our local file server (where the backups are stored). As far as I know, there is no way to have tklbam send this parameter to duplicity. Is that correct?

Jeremy Davis's picture

But the easy way to find out would be to test. Run a fresh backup without creating a new key and see if you can restore it (with the old key...) I guess I'd be a little nervious though even if it works. As is usual good practice for backups they should be regularly tested (ideally restoring to a fresh instance).

And AFAIK TKLBAM doesn't have an option to not use encryption but as it's open source you are always free to have a bit of a tinker! :) IIRC the code is in the TKL GitHub repo.

IMO though unless you have huge amounts of data and/or really slow internet then using the Hub is the go - at $0.14/GB/mth it is really cheap!

Nelson Hoover's picture

Do I need a new key for every backup to a local disk?

Jeremy Davis's picture

As I have never used TKLBAM with local storage I can't be sure... When you use the Hub you only need to use an escrow key if you password protect your backups and want to have a failsafe (in cause you forget your password). And the one key applies to all your backups. The Hub automagically takes care of the encrytion of files etc.

When running TKLBAM 'manually' (i.e. not linked to the Hub) you don't have the advantage of the Hub taking care of backup locations and encryption. So my suspicion is that you would need to create a new key each time and that they are individual keys which relate to just one backup.

But like I suggested above, why not try it? Then you'll know for sure...

Nelson Hoover's picture

I ran into this again, so I finally tested this. As it turns out, no you only need to create a single key and you can use it for any of the backups you make. I am making my backups to a local NAS instead of Amazon, but I don't think this makes any difference.

Jeremy Davis's picture

Thanks so much for posting back. When you say "you only need to create a single key and you can use it for any of the backups you make" I assume that means that a single key covers multiple backups from the one server. I'm guessing that wouldn't cover multiple servers though?
Nelson Hoover's picture

You're right. One key per server works for multiple backups from the same server.

sleeping Cat's picture

started using the Turnkey file server seams to work great well done chaps. I worry about backups and after reading the turnkey docs is it safe to use Amazon S3 and also config a local backup to say a plug in drive, will there be any problems with restore.

the TLBK will run on auto to S3 and I will set up a cron job tar -zcvpf /backup/fullbackup.tar.gz

Is my thinking correct?

Jeremy Davis's picture

Glad to hear that it's working out for you.

TBH I'm not sure if it would be an issue or not to do both local and remote backups. Seeing as the Hub only keeps track of the S3 stored backups, I don't see why it would be a problem. Although only testing will confirm for sure whether it'd be ok.

However, what you could do (that definitely wouldn't be an issue) is create your own custom cron job which does both the local and remote backups. If you check out the tklbam-backup docs you can see that the backup can be split into a backup dump ('--dump=DIR') and upload ('--raw-upload=PATH'). You could insert a step between the 2 commands to archive the directory to a local file location.

sleeping Cat's picture

Ok thanks Jeremy, I Have install Turnkey file server on a Dell optiplex 3020 and just finished setting up the off site backup to the Amazon S3, ( very easy) this will do backup every day at 07:00 GMT here in England.

Time is now 08:41 and I have checked and confirmed the backup has happen and no problems server is working, will setup a con job in a few days to do a backup to a local plugin drive. will post an up date.

Jeremy Davis's picture

I just stumbled across some info that you should find useful:

It discusses creating 2 different profiles (for a "complete" backup and a "light" backup) but you could probably apply the same logic to use different backup backends. See also

sleeping Cat's picture

Thanks for the links Jeremy all interesting.

Ok so far I have the Turnkey File Server backing up every night to Amazon S3.

Have created a new folder on the system, mkdir backups

Then in the Turnkey Server went to Cron jobs and set up a new Cron job as "root"

then entered this line,  tar -zcvpf /backups/fullbackup.tar.gz --directory=/ --exclude=proc --exclude=sys --exclude=dev/pts --exclude=backups .

then set the job to run at midnight every night and so far works great, don't forget to use a space and full stop at the end of the command.

I will give this server another week then let it fully run in the office and remove an old windows 2003 server which is flakey.

Thanks for your feedback Jeremy.

Jeremy Davis's picture

Glad to hear that it appears to be working out so far and thanks for posting back! Look forward to hearing about it going live! :)

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