Question re prefered packages for TKLPatch

Jeremy Davis's picture

I've been playing with a few (well actually lots) of ideas for TKLPatches to contribute and I have a dev question.

Obviously if packages are available in the repos is the ideal situation. However if they are not, what is the hierarchy of preference beyond that? For example there seems to be a number of different approaches depending on the project: preconpiled .debs (or .rpms - which could be changed to .debs with alien), binary tarballs (usually with install script), source tarball or other source such as svn or git.

I guess the potential problem with svn or git is that while it may work when the patch is made, it potentially creates unpredictability. If a buggy version is uploaded after I create the patch then another user tries the patch it won't work as expected. How would you work around this? How would you go about making some sort of package from svn/git? And what would be the best (and/or easiest) format to create? .deb? .tar.gz?

Alon Swartz's picture

Good question, these are the guidelines we "usually" follow (there are exceptions, and they are not set in stone, especially when dependencies are involved):

We usually prioritize using a deb package, then release tarball, then checked out revision control.

  • Use package from distro/release (e.g. Ubuntu/Lucid)
  • Use package from distro/release-backports (e.g. Ubuntu/Lucid - are backports available yet from Maverick?)

From this point, the package would be included in the tklpatch (and documented).

  • Backport package from distro/release+1 (not relevant yet as Maverick isn't out yet)
  • Import package from upstream or debian/testing or PPA (if packager can be trusted)

And finally, the source

  • Tarball source available from upstream (stable release)
  • Checked out revision control (as a last resort)

Including self compiled binaries in tklpatches isn't usually a good idea...

Rudiger Wolf's picture


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Taken from Launchpad:

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Liraz Siri's picture

I'm downloading the source code now and will take a closer look at this later.

In general I'm a bit skeptical of overly generic template frameworks because often they just get in the way. They become another layer of complexity you have to understand before you can get stuff done. Especially if you can program your own custom solutions when an opportunity for automation presents itself.

On the other hand circumstances matter. Sometimes you really can make a decent trade off between the total flexibility of a programming language and the ease of use of a generative tool, though I still suspect that any sufficiently powerful tool eventually just becomes (or embeds) a fully fledged programming language.

Jeremy Davis's picture

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